I am 100% sure that the Tibet unrest is under Thibetan spiritual leader’s mastermind.
China, people and government, are bullied by socalled Thibetan activists. Our goodwill to accommodate international athletes are ruthlessly crushed by unkind international biased and confrontational activists.
Of course, international community will watch and criticise how Chinese government manage their own business. American cops shot dead black Americans who rob unmanned stores in New Orleans, which was regarded as righteous measure by police side. However, Chinese government will be blamed for only using harsh measures to control violent mobs.
This is not a peaceful rally.If you youtube Tibet today, You should clearly see monks and Thibetans stone, attacked passers on street; they attacked bank, local News building; they set Han ethnic shops on fire. There were bloodshed and manslaughter, but commit by Thibetan mobs.
Think about it, what American copps will do when mobs attck them with 2-kilo-weighted stones, sticks, and their cars were thrown over and set on fire?
At the same time, Chinese Embassy in other countries were attacked by so-called peace protestants, who blockaded road and burnt Chinese national flag.
News sources say Indian Thibetans were on their way to Tibet, while Gansu and Sichuan Thibetans also led protestant rallies. This just reminded me another news happened a week ago, about a Chinese Muslim girl’s attempt to burn down an on-air plane failed.
It is really sad that China never gain any sympathy from big countries when in trouble, but being scrutinised on every move China have to make.
Thibetan mobs are a group of ungrateful people. They enjoy many unique advantages, such as more than one child, much lower requirements for university admission, protection policies on the region and paramount investments.
Thibetans do not respect government and Han people as we should treat each other. They are allowed particular to carry knives, because they claim it as ethnic tradition. Unfortunately, they threaten people with this weapon for money in many cities. But local police will not charge or punish them, because of the ethnic protection or advantage policy.
Tibet is part of China. Thibetans enjoy same right and responsibility as other 55 ethnicities of China. Shame on you, those ungrateful blind violent activists. Why you are still hiding in another country, using begged funding and doing this evil thing?
I have confidence in China, and urge this unrest should be finished as soon as possible. People should take each responsibilities. Please do not let more innocent people hurt by Thibetan mobs.
This report by Guardian sounds neutral and objective. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/15/tibet.china1
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1 Shaan // Mar 15, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Do you understand why most foreigners don’t trust China? Because the media is completely controlled by the government. Your country will not get the benefit of the doubt until the media is open and free to report on whatever they like. Until that happens, sorry, we will not trust any information that comes out of your country. Likewise, your information on race relations in the US is sadly outdated or misinformed, and you misspelled Tibetan.
2 admin // Mar 15, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Clearly, you are standing at a higher status to judge China, and every one else in the world.
3 Troy Heneley // Mar 15, 2008 at 9:23 pm
“American cops shot dead black Americans who rob unmanned stores in New Orleans, which was regarded as righteous” What planet do you live on!? One where lies pass as truth?:
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/28/katrina.cops/
Murder is not “righteous” in America though it seems lies and stupidity are popular in China.
4 Anil // Mar 16, 2008 at 12:57 am
@Shaan - When were you elected to speak for “most foreigners”? And how do you know “most foreigners don’t trust China”? Did you take a poll of all six billion of us? Strangely, the only foreigners I know of who don’t trust China are reactionary, war-mongering Americans such as yourself. Generally speaking, the ENTIRE CONTINENTS of Asia, Africa, and South America trust China just fine but I guess in your warped ethnocentric viewpoint they don’t count.
Stop making absolutist, blanket statements about things you know nothing about. While there is some state control on Chinese media in extreme cases, many media outlets have a relatively free and lax rein. Is it really that hard to understand that most chinese people and media actually agree with many of their government’s views?
Meanwhile, good job on completely ignoring an open, free, external and independent news source that completely validates the mainstream Chinese version of events. And the height of your ignorance is that not only are you clueless on China but you have apparently have no idea what went down in New Orleans as well! The author is right on the money when it comes to race relations in the USA.
Now I can understand if subtlety is not your forte, but next time please try learning and understanding more about the subject you’re spouting off on. And above all, have some appreciation and the courtesy and decency to not attack someone who is generous enough with his time and effort to show us an insider’s view of China openly and freely. You’re making the rest of us Americans look bad.
Oh wait, maybe this blog is state-run and all the openess and freeness displayed here is just an ingenious trap by the PSB!!! Hahahaha…
5 admin // Mar 16, 2008 at 5:30 am
Please do not pick on me about word Righteous. I didn’t mean the whole America regard it righteous, or I will be blind and mindwashed by communism as some readers assume.
Shooting is what I saw on BBC Itv1 News. Simply I mean, the police regarded it as righteous to control chaotic situation with harsh measures.
On this Tibet case, foreign media will focus on naming it as a humanitarian tragedy. It is a tragedy. But what you expect Chinese government do, when a part of land started a rebel.
Can’t what these mobs do be charged as murder, treason, conspiracy etc?
Tell you something, Chinese people do not like government of its corruption, limited openess in politics, lack of law and order etc.
But all Chinese love China deep down. It is like Chinese parents will criticise children a lot, even they are doing great on academic result, because it is called love deep and criticise more.
This is a cultural difference. Likewise, I do not understand America fully, because I never lived there. Most importantly, I am not anti-America.
6 Ronin8317 // Mar 16, 2008 at 5:38 am
The Dalai Lama is not responsible for the riot. He understands that nothing can be gained by violence, as the chance of a successful uprising against the Chinese Army is zilch. He has a lot of supporters oversea because his message is one of reconciliation through peace. He wouldn’t win support from Bjork if his message is stoning and killing people. He accepts China’s sovereignty over Tibet, but wants more freedom for the Tibetans to run their own religious and cultural affairs.
The rest of the world is now having second thoughts once they realize what ‘Tibet Independence’ stands for - it’s ethnic cleansing. Notice that the US and EU is only calling more ‘more restraints’ against the protesters, a far cry from the condemnation during Tiannament Square.
The problem is deep rooted. The migration of Han Chinese into Tibet causes a lot of resentment with the original population. The Tibetan still see everything through the len of ‘us and them’. They need to listen to their spiritual leader more and learn about how to achieve happiness.
7 admin // Mar 16, 2008 at 5:40 am
To Troy, I read the linked news. Thanks for that.
Only 7 officers and soldiers were charged on probably a few mistake shooting.
I assume, there, only unjust shooting those unarmed people were charged, while others shootings were neglected for some reason.
8 admin // Mar 16, 2008 at 6:06 am
To Ronin1983,
Appreciate your comment, but I feel like argue something.
We are told not to take something for its face value. There is no evidence showing Dalai Lama not connected with the riots.
US and EU have been known for double-standard.
China has given a lot freedom concerning Tibetans self-rule. Hans were discriminated by Tibetans there. The problem is less than enough Han migration. You probably do not know, China set serious bans on Han migration, otherwise, this riots would not happen.
9 Anil // Mar 16, 2008 at 10:58 am
@Troy - nice try but clearly many in law enforcement really did see the murders as righteous.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/8/31/the_danziger_bridge_killings_how_new
10 Anil // Mar 16, 2008 at 11:00 am
@Troy - nice try but clearly many in law enforcement really did see the shootings as righteous.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/8/31/the_danziger_bridge_killings_how_new
11 John // Mar 16, 2008 at 11:06 am
@Troy - nice try but clearly many in law enforcement really did see the shootings as righteous:
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/8/31/the_danziger_bridge_killings_how_new
12 Not Anil // Mar 16, 2008 at 11:16 am
@Admin - Have I been banned? Why?
13 admin // Mar 16, 2008 at 12:35 pm
no. I never ban anyone.
14 admin // Mar 16, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Sorry, Anil.
I just noticed that in order to prevent the spam, I config to review every comment that has a link inside.
15 Anil // Mar 16, 2008 at 1:56 pm
No problem
I can get a little heated at times when commenters start attacking with insults. Also, sorry for the duplicate posts.
I just hope you realize that the American media is also very biased and as a result, many Americans have a very one-sided hypocritical view of the world. Please don’t think all Americans are as hostile and ignorant as Shaan and Troy Heneley, some of us genuinely want to gain a greater understanding and appreciation of China in an atmosphere of courtesy, respect and open-mindedness. It is my sincere hope that America will eventually learn to treat China as a friend and not an enemy.
Finally, try not to be too offended by the rudeness and insults of many Americans - it is part of American culture!
16 random guy // Mar 17, 2008 at 9:35 am
@ Anil:
The difference is that in the US, we have the freedom to look up information from any perspective, I can read news from the Chinese perspective on this issue from the Chinese state media and from the Communist-friendly media here at home - on the other hand, if I were anywhere in China, I would not bee free to read news on Tibet from a foreign perspective, and there is of course no anti-PRC media in China itself. This is why foreigners are contemptuous of Chinese public opinion - since the Chinese, unlike Westerners, are not free to access both sides of the story, our contempt of what your average Chinese thinks about the issue is perfectly justified, given their ignorance regarding different opinions on the matter.
17 Hope // Mar 17, 2008 at 10:33 am
“…the problem with Tibetan Buddhism resides in an obvious fact that many Western enthusiasts conveniently forget: the traditional political structure of Tibet is theocracy, with the Dalai Lama at the center. He unites religious and secular power — so when we are talking about the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama, we are taking about choosing a head of state. It is strange to hear self-described democracy advocates who denounce Chinese persecution of followers of the Dalai Lama — a non-democratically elected leader if there ever was one. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/opinion/11zizek.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
18 Dara shikoh // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:07 am
@ Shaan
China continues to be a repressive government that denies Tibetans the most basic rights that a people living in a country should expect. Han Chinese continue to flood Tibet destroying its culture and traditions. And don’t give me that blah about “Tibet should be because they were poor and backward and superstitious”. By that token the Japanese were right to invade Manchuria in 1932 and in exterminating those “stupid Chinese rats” because “they are poor, backward and superstitious”.
The truth is that China is a brutal occupation power that has no business ruling like a colonial power in Tibet sucking away its mineral wealth and eroding its culture. The Chinese forces are an occupying army.
Chinese ****** out of Tibet now.
19 Uker // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:19 am
Random Guy, Let me tell you how annoying you look to me.
First, If I tell you people still support Communist Party, you won not believe, because you have formed a negative concept about China. So you would easily believe anything that on the opposite side.
Second, it is not totally true to say CHina has no anti-government media resources, if internet forums can be counted as one. And that’s why, I write this blog, to tell you what Chinese people think . Where is your contempt from? I am a normal Chinese, this blog is not in CHina, I do not work for government or any country.
Third, You know what. Chinese do not care your contempt on China’s public opinion, because that only reflect your ignorance and lack of respect.
You just won’t listen. What you do, is to force west standards and west expectation about China on China. Of course, China is not a puppet, which will irritate some foreigners who think they are on a higher moral or whatever status.
Tibet is China’s business. If you live in Tibet most of your life, you are qualified to talk and critise.
If you can say something new, I am glad to read. If you are so contemputous, you have the right to stay away.
20 Uker // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:21 am
Dara Shikoh, you do not need to be that rude to be heard.
You humilate yourself
21 Uker // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:25 am
Dara whatever, and random whatever,
China beat Japanese and American in the second world war.
We survive and will do that in the future.
Dara, I will delete the crap, racists, bloody militarism expressions. Here I warn you.
22 random guy // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:28 am
>”China beat… American in the second world war.”
LOL… China and the US were on *the same side in wW2*, you are educationally challenged, have a nice day.
23 admin // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:32 am
Randon guy, thanks for remind me to realise that America changes sides quickly to whatever his interests are.
China beat US during the cold war, you are right about it, when US invaded North Korea.
24 中国人 // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:35 am
为什么一定要用英语呢？就为了给那些无知的外国人看么？你们要知道，今后的世界是中国的，迟早你们也要学习中文。你们对中国、中国人民了解多少？就凭从你们那点可怜的媒体上看到听到的么？真是可笑至极！！！西藏、台湾、新疆都是中国人自己的事，其他们无权干涉，你们以为在媒体上施压就有用了么？别在白费心机了，西藏独立了对你们有什么好处？还不是你们自己想控制？人家伊拉克人民本来过的好好的，看看现在成什么样？你们还有什么权利对我们说三道四的？？？
一群傻波伊25 random guy // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:36 am
The Korean War was a stalemate, that is why Korea is divided into two states today, please educate yourself and see:
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/韓國戰爭
26 random guy // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:38 am
@中國人:
“为什么一定要用英语呢”
因為是為了外國人的英文blog.
27 admin // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:40 am
It is an interest. Not like some Chinese write English against their motherland.
28 random guy // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:41 am
我不是中國人, 我們世界也有外國人學你的語言.
29 Laxsmi // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:43 am
Tibet is a colony of China.
The Chinese are imperialists, extracting the maximum amount of minerals and profit from Tibet without the consent of the Tibetans.
Remind anyone of the situation in the 19th century?
30 random guy // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:46 am
@Laxsmi:
你說真的. 19時代的時候, 歐洲國家入侵了非洲, 為了 “黑人族的提高/繁榮”. 今天, 中國政府用一樣的話.
31 motherland // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:48 am
The Chinese government is not used to being held up to scrutiny, they just arrest or kill people that disagree with them.
What happens when the whole world disagrees with the Chinese government? Are they going to arrest or kill everyone in the world?
Forget free tibet… FREE CHINA!!
32 Laxsmi // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:51 am
Yes, and I know Africans, despite the wealth that Chinese companies are creating in Africa, are realizing this as well.
Neo-colonialism. Or neo-neo-colonialism.
33 admin // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:52 am
I tell you what, if all Chinese people are against the government, the government will be replaced by a new one, decided by Chinese.
34 admin // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:56 am
@random guy
about your point on korean war, why don’t you say it is America that seperate korea. If not ameria, north korea have united sounth korea.
About your reffering link from wiki. You should know a few things:
1, wiki is not facts about all things, even many people try to get facts from it
2, most chinese people are not allowed to visit wiki, hence most information are edited by the people who don’t know chinese.
35 random guy // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:57 am
Mr. Admin here is no fun at all. Doesn’t respond to anyone’s arguments. Why not, I wonder?
36 Laxsmi // Mar 17, 2008 at 11:58 am
Replaced by Chinese? By what? An open, free, and fair election in a country controlled by one political party?
Or is it time for a dynastic change? Will the growing economic disparities force the Chinese people to cry out, “Down with the ruling party of 中国共产党?”
37 random guy // Mar 17, 2008 at 12:01 pm
I retract my above comment, it appears you are going to respond, anyway here goes:
>about your point on korean war, why don’t you say it is America that seperate korea. If not ameria, north korea have united sounth korea.
You could equally phrase it the other way, e.g. “why don’t you say it is China that seperate korea. If not china, north korea have united sounth korea.” Without the involvement of one or the other of the powers, one or the other of the sides in the Korean conflict would have triumphed. As to what would have been the result of neither powers’ involvement in post-war Korea, it would have probably been taken over by the Korean government in exile.
>1, wiki is not facts about all things, even many people try to get facts from it
No, but the basics are pretty well covered, e.g. the obvious fact that the Korean War was a stalemate!
>2, most chinese people are not allowed to visit wiki, hence most information are edited by the people who don’t know chinese.
Overseas Chinese, including mainlanders, do contribute. And if more mainlanders do not contribute, that is the fault of your government and not Wikipedia.
38 random guy // Mar 17, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I apologise for my double (now triple)-post, please delete the first one.
39 admin // Mar 17, 2008 at 12:12 pm
@ motherland
you keep saying chinese government killed all the dissenters. Have you been through that?If not, please shut up. I saw a lot of demonstrations in china. the government may not like it, but they will not kill people for their demonstration. I don’t see everyone being killed.
40 random guy // Mar 17, 2008 at 12:19 pm
>you keep saying chinese government killed all the dissenters. Have you been through that?If not, please shut up.
You are correct in that there is no evidence to support Tibetan government-in-exile claims that up to 100 Tibetans have been shot dead by Chinese security forces. Sadly, given the government’s refusal to permit the international press free access to the region, we have no evidence that the Chinese version of events is correct either. With no way for what is really happening to emerge, people will be forced to choose between propaganda: that of the Chinese or that of the Dalai Lama. Censorship is damaging the credibility of the Chinese in this regard; it may well indeed be the case that the Tibetan activists have burnt 10 innocent Hui and Han Chinese civilians to death and that the security forces have shown unparalleled professionalism and restraint, however, with little access to the region, foreign observers are inclined to suspect the worst.
41 motherland // Mar 17, 2008 at 12:37 pm
@ admin: I do see people being killed… 80 in Lhasa and counting…
@ random guy: Exactly.
42 admin // Mar 17, 2008 at 12:48 pm
@random guy
I have a little of misunderstanding your point in last reply. If I am not wrong, what you are trying to say is that china do not win the war.
I would like to give you some evidence from your cited resouce - wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
Please noted the following sentences I quoted
1, the america has a lot of help from other countries, but china has only limited help from Soviet Union.
“The resolution led to direct action by the United States, whose forces were joined by troops and supplies from 15 other UN members: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK, France, South Africa, Turkey, Thailand, Greece, the Netherlands, Ethiopia, Colombia, the Philippines, Belgium and Luxembourg. However, the United States provided 50% of the ground forces (South Korea provided most of the remainder), 86% of the naval power, and 93% of the air power.”
“However, Soviet assistance was limited to providing air support no nearer than sixty miles (100 km) from the battlefront.”
2, the war between the UN troop and Chinese troop started near to the Yalu River,not from the 38th parallel. So not a stalemate, it is kind of victory belonging to china.
“UN leaders saw the withdrawal as a sign of weakness and greatly underestimated the Chinese fighting capability. The UN forces thus continued their advance to the Yalu River, ignoring stern warnings from the Chinese.”
I am not a military fun. Hope my explation is convicing to you.
43 admin // Mar 17, 2008 at 1:07 pm
@random guy
I do agree with you. Our government is not open enough. This should be changed. But it should be slow in my opinion. Quick change always means riot and conflict. Just like iraq, a lot of people loose their live. we have no chance to ask the died people’s choice, because they have no choice anymore.
BTW, I do not think the western countries are hoping chinese people going to the good direction. They just try to use the discontent of chinese people to make troubles to china, and make china weaker not stronger.
If you know china much, you should know it is better not worser. If not so, what you see should be millions of demonstrations from all over the coutry, not just a few. Think about how many people we have.
Democracy is good thing. but that doesn’t mean, anyone can understand it and used to it very well.
44 Daniel // Mar 17, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Bush lied about Iraqs.
Clinton lied about his sex scandals.
Lies, lies, lies.
No one is better than others.
It is so silly to see liars accuse other lying.
45 admin // Mar 17, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Daniel, thanks for your comment.
Politics is full of hypocrisy. But the bottom line is the wholeness of your country.
46 Anil // Mar 17, 2008 at 5:31 pm
@random guy - your hubris on speaking of matters you are ignorant of is what deserves contempt. Ever heard of a proxy-server? With it, according to the latest estimates, 200 million Chinese have completely unrestricted access to every on-line information source in the world. Furthermore, China is not the Soviet Union. There is no Iron Curtain, and millions have access to foreign news that filters across it’s borders, and millions more receive foreign news from their friends and relatives in the Chinese diaspora.
@Dara and Laxsmi - The Tibetans (pre-China) were some of the most barbaric people on the planet: http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
The Chinese have indeed provided the Tibetans many basic human rights and much needed development than they had before. There is no comparison between Manchuria and Tibet. Since Manchuria was Chinese land invaded by a foreign power while Tibet has been a semi-autonomous part of China for centuries. Calling it a colony is as ridiculous as calling Scotland a colony of England.
@Laxsmi - Funny, I have spoken to many Africans (primarily Nigerians) who are very appreciative of Chinese investment, particularly as it far less exploitive than Western involvement. Perhaps, it is because African opinion is not some black or white monolith but rather a diversity of views from a variety of people?
@random guy - Actually, according to the FACTS, it is American and UN meddling that caused the partition of Korea. Had Korea been allowed to determine it’s own affairs, North Korea would have won. Although Chinese intercession did indeed lead to a political stalemate, considering China had just been devastated by a world war, a civil war, the Communist takeover, lacked air superiority, heavy support, infantry weapons, and no major international support, the stalemate was indeed a major victory for the Chinese.
47 UziHal // Mar 17, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Okay, I am going to try to be neutral here since no one is really listening to anybody.
1) No one side really won the Korean War. General MacArthur lost his position due to Truman fear as the General was getting more popularity. That decision affected negatively on the US side.
What ended it was ultimately a political decision not based on the supremacy of opposing side military prowess.
If the UN council did not intervene and Truman wasn’t stupid enough to fire MacArthur, The US could have as well drop an Atom Bomb into China and ended the war.
And to claim that China won, well take a look at the conditions of North Korea today compared to South Korea.
I think in this case the major victors goes to South Koreans.
2) To discuss who won what war is useless. It does not prove which side is better. What we need to look at is the present. NOW.
The Chinese and the Americans would probably hate to admit it but the FACT is they both need each other and co-dependent of each other.
The US through their investments and co-relationship with Taiwan HELPED China to develop. Yes, the US is partially responsible for making China the economic behemoth that it is today. So the Chinese has a lot to thank for to the US.
In Return China provided good Capital opportunity for American companies in terms of cost/profit ration which in turn many US consumers benefited from. Similarly the US has a lot to thank for to China.
Should one day China and the US break relationship: US prices will inflate drastically ruining US businesses. China will loose its major customer thus ruining Chinese businesses.
That is why both governments, the US and China, aren’t so willing to bomb each other.
A major number of products in the US are manufactured in China. A major number of economic development in China came from the US.
Just as China’s tallest building is designed by an American, build by a Japanese company, financed by an international group of investors.
So shake hands and be friends.
48 Jeffrey // Mar 17, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Ironically, the UK government controlled media BBC says that the chinese police attacked the monk. WoW!!! great job BBC, yeah, free media, free speach, say watever u want. guess wat? Lets say, **** that BBC! go to ***, Britain! BBC purposefully choose the biased material to report, because BBC knows no one would question on things they report even its false even it never exist! They report wat ever they can write with their pen! thats called free media! in another word: noob media! Guess wat, the westerner believe those piece of shits! why? becuase they r ****************! Fair media??? yeah! Princess Diana is killed by accident, not murdered by british government! lol , fair media??? *******
49 admin // Mar 17, 2008 at 8:04 pm
to UziHal
Thanks for your comment.
but please don’t use if. “If” is nonsense in the history. I admit south korea is better than north korea now. But please don’t blame china’s involvement for the current result of north korea. China need to defend its security as that way. America sent army into the area first.
I do agree with you about that china and america should be friends. Everyone love peace, instead of war. But sometimes in the history, war is the best way to get peace. Hope today, current humans can find a way to get peace without war. Really hope so.
50 randon guy // Mar 18, 2008 at 3:45 pm
@Jeffrey,
Once again, the clear difference is that we in the West are free to reserch whatever information we like about the Tibet issue.
If I am in a 5-star hotel in the UK, I can watch CCTV news about Tibet (or Iraq for that matter) without my signal mysteriously going dead. Chinese are not free to do the same, and the fact that the Chinese government fears Western media access to China, both collection and dissemination, speaks volumes.
51 randon guy // Mar 18, 2008 at 3:46 pm
To clarify: By “Chinese are not free to do the same” I mean that Chinese are not free to reasearch foreign reports on the Tibet issue.
52 admin // Mar 18, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Like I said, you do not need to check in a 5 star hotel to watch CNN news in China. There is satellite tv available for residents.
53 admin // Mar 18, 2008 at 4:03 pm
I do not want to elaborate on how biased and liar west media can be when they want to creat a overwhelming opinion.
54 random guy // Mar 18, 2008 at 4:43 pm
@admin,
There are restrictions on satellite TV in China, or at least, there certainly were when I was there (2003). In any case, there have been repeated reports of Western satellite channels in China going dead as soon as the word “Tibet” is mentioned. Combine that with the government’s refusal to allow the media access to Tibet, and it seems overwhelmingly clear that the CCP fears both ordinary Chinese learning the other side of the story and what the foreign media might uncover in Tibet.
55 admin // Mar 18, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Random guy,
It is true government restrict media coverage.
But perhaps you don’t know, patriotic posts that condemn the riots on the internet, were also deleted.
You can continue your research by having a trip to tibet soon.
56 Jason // Mar 23, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Amin/ BTW ” I do not think the western countries are hoping chinese people going to the good direction. They just try to use the discontent of chinese people to make troubles to china, and make china weaker not stronger.”
This is another preposterous statement on this thread but as there are so many, had to choose just one.What is your basis for this immature and naive assesment of the whole world. You treat the world with the same cynicism your country treats the peace loving Dalai Lama. You have exposed the narrow way in which you view the outside world.
57 Jason // Mar 23, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Anil : “The Tibetans (pre-China) were some of the most barbaric people on the planet”.
By this standard, China should be invaded and freed from what may be the most brutal totalitarian state still in operation to this day. The term “most brutal” may be subjective, but its a can of worms you have opened. Just to explain, ive arrived at China being the most brutal totalitarian state operating today by shear fact that the Chinese economy, relative to its population is by far the largest and most powerful totalitarian state operating today. For an example of state sanctioned Chinese brutality, perhaps we can start with human organ trafficing. In this year of our lord, 2008, the Chinese still find it acceptable to use Falun Gong members as human organ donors, involuntray of course. Of course, China denies this, but if ever here in the west, you find yourself in need of an organ transplant, for approximately $80,000, somewhere in China, there is a Falun Gong member who is sure to be a match with you. Dont forget to check your morality at the door. And yes, this is still a growing business for China.
58 Jason // Mar 23, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Oh, just a side note, war is not a tennis match. No one wins. Grow up.
59 Jason // Mar 23, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Anil
Stop pretending that 200 million chinese have unfettered access to the internet. That is a lie and it is not going to become true by your bullshit repeat of the lie. I have friends who are Chinese and live in China and do not share your rosey picture of things. When i meet them in India, we talk freely about all subjects including Tibet. When i chat with them online or by email, we NEVER EVER EVER discuss matters of politics and world events openly. I repeat, we NEVER EVER talk over the internet. It is not worth it. It is possible for them to access most infomation if they make the effort, but they will not ever show any signs of being sympathetic, to say, the Dalai Lama. Again, China Is a totalitarian state.
60 Jason // Mar 23, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Does Anil believe he is telling the truth or is he completely dishonest?
There are 210 million internet users in China today.That is a fact. Somewhere in Anil’s imagination, 200 million of them use proxy servers. Meanwhile, in the real world………
61 umm // Mar 26, 2008 at 3:48 pm
“the government may not like it, but they will not kill people for their demonstration. I don’t see everyone being killed.”
you are right in that not “everyone” is killed. but people ARE, and HAVE BEEN, killed for dissenting or demonstrating against the government. People have also been jailed for protesting against the government. Have you ever heard of the 1989 Tiananmen crackdown? Seems to me that there were people killed there. Ever heard of the cases of Yang Chunlin and Ye Guozhu? Both are Chinese citizens serving jail terms for “incitement to subvert state power” after protesting against Olympics-related human rights violations.
62 retal // Apr 15, 2008 at 5:38 am
Still guys, the problem remains; Tibetans seem to be unhappy in their own country. You may ask yourselves why.
I can name some reasons, but it will be the best for all of us if you try to understand why the Tibetans, meanwhile a minority in their own region, are unhappy.
I’d like to stress again that nobody in the western world thinks Tibet should be separated from the motherland. And it actually is the Dalai Lama made sure we have this right view in the West. On the internet you can find enough video’s where he reiterates this position. Yet I understand you in China cannot view all websites, because of censorship.
PS
I dislike the name you give to the Dalai Lama. Can’t you guys just call the man Dala Lama? It is interesting to see that all the chinese use the same terms for the Dalai Lama.
63 retal // Apr 15, 2008 at 5:50 am
@admin
- if the Chinese claim the Dalai Lama is connected, they should present the evidence. The Dalai Lama himself even called for an open investigation into that. Let’s do it!
- Tibetans ARE a minority because of Han migration. Government controlled? Let’s find out! It however sure that the government choose to divide Tibet into regions, so that allot of Tibetans fall in different regions. You can immediately see this. What is their purpose of doing this?
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